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I think that might work, but I also think having it all be in one feed is still fine.

I put this about ONSUG marketing on the chat

thinking about onsug marketing
07:03:16 ‹Bob› Marketing is about on message repeated as many times as it can be tolerated
07:03:44 ‹Bob› The more brief the better
07:05:06 ‹Bob› I think about the "obey" andre the giant art project by Shepard farie and how that was repeated, mysterious and interesting
07:05:48 ‹Bob› We might try coming up with a simple graphic, the website and a simple call to action
07:06:27 ‹Bob› We get everyone who makes shows to put these up in the large cities we live in and see what happens
07:08:45 ‹Bob› I also think the Andre the giant art worked because it was a face, people gravitate towards faces.
07:09:00 ‹Bob› Anyhow this is an idea

Here is a little conversation Chad and I had this afternoon, with links to some graphic ideas:

12:38:22 ‹chad› btw, like your idea about the simple graphic to promote the show
12:38:32 ‹bob› Thanks
12:38:42 ‹bob› I think that might get some traction
12:39:27 ‹bob› especially since it would be over a pretty wide geographic area
12:39:28 ‹chad› onsug.com is probably a given
12:39:58 ‹chad› but the graphic, what could that be.
12:40:34 ‹chad› a radio? a microphone, some simple image to represent overnight ramblings
12:40:39 ‹bob› yes, put the website on the bottom
12:40:48 ‹bob› either would be good
12:40:57 ‹bob› I really like icons
12:41:06 ‹bob› so something like that, simple but bold
12:41:29 ‹chad› yeah, from what you had mentioned, for some reason I had the pictorialgrams
12:41:44 ‹chad› in my head, the little blue people that represent men and womens bathrooms
12:41:50 ‹chad› and various olympic events
12:41:55 ‹bob› that would work as well
12:42:45 ‹chad› I've been writing to somewhat famous people, trying to turn them on to what Frank is up to
12:43:03 ‹bob› that is interesting, any responses?
12:43:12 ‹chad› I think the story element for someone that might choose to cover onsug, probably starts with Frank
12:43:30 ‹chad› responses, Marc Maron wrote me back, said he would check into it.
12:43:44 ‹chad› Jesse Thorn has not written back, likewise Howard Stern
12:44:02 ‹chad› I think Boing Boing would be a good place to have several people make an effort
12:44:03 ‹bob› here is a good microphone pictogram http://www.clker.com/clipart-29058.html
12:44:20 ‹bob› Boing Boing, might really like it
12:44:46 ‹bob› here is another good one http://www.clker.com/clipart-15373.html
12:44:48 ‹chad› like the mic, that has a great somewhat creepy "brutalism" 1970's feel to it.
12:45:01 ‹chad› If i saw the word onsug.com under that, I would feel the need to check it out.
12:45:37 ‹chad› yeah on Boing Boing, I think the story we should all try to sell in the beginning is about this interesting guy named Frank
12:45:49 ‹chad› who has been documenting reality of daily life for almost 8 years
12:46:10 ‹chad› and in the process creating a very unique document that will surely be very interesting to those in the future
12:46:12 ‹bob› I think if we just come up with a simple graphic and then get everyone to populate it in all the areas we live, it would get some attention
12:46:15 ‹chad› it's a one of a kind thing.
12:46:25 ‹chad› Totally agreed with what you are saying
12:46:36 ‹chad› I think its two seperate goals
12:46:56 ‹bob› Yes, but neither is overly difficult
12:47:01 ‹chad› One, frank should be more popular and Second, the onsug network should be too.
12:47:24 ‹bob› then you just get everyone on board on the network
12:50:06 ‹chad› I can imagine sending stickers to everyone and asking them to place them
12:50:37 ‹chad› especially around Universities, colleges, high schools
12:50:49 ‹chad› all night wicker stores
12:51:12 ‹bob› yes
12:51:17 ‹bob› that is the idea
12:52:46 ‹bob› Here you go, I did this real quick http://StaticRadio.com/picts/m...sug.png
12:52:54 ‹bob› I am sure others could do better
12:52:59 ‹bob› but this is the idea
12:53:32 ‹chad› yep, totally with you, something small, simple
12:54:24 ‹chad› I remember being captivated by those Obey stickers back in the early 90's
12:55:07 ‹chad› wasn't there several campaigns around that, like andre has a posey
12:55:11 ‹chad› and the posse
12:55:15 ‹chad› and the obey stickers...
12:56:44 ‹bob› Here is another version http://StaticRadio.com/picts/m...sug.png
12:57:12 ‹bob› I like the boldness of black, white and red, but we don't have to go with it
12:57:53 ‹chad› yeah, that's pretty cool
12:58:02 ‹chad› the mic has a cylon vibe
12:58:32 ‹chad› makes me think of a 70's 80's small metal button pin thing they would sell on the counter of record stores
12:58:34 ‹bob› I think the 2nd one is better, the first one, might be misinterpreted, but the second one is a microphone
12:58:54 ‹bob› It also looks futuristic and retro at the same time
12:59:00 ‹bob› kind of like the cyclon
12:59:58 ‹bob› plus at a distance I think the red will really grab attention
12:59:58 ‹chad› are you thinking like a 3 inch sticker?
13:00:06 ‹bob› then close up you see the URL
13:00:28 ‹bob› sure, whatever folks can do, just give them the graphic and and they can use whatever sticker or paper they can do
13:00:39 ‹bob› plus its a png so it can go big if you have the means
13:00:53 ‹chad› nice. like it.

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Interesting ideas. I have been thinking about focusing more on The Frank Nora Show as a separate thing (as it already is: http://show.franknora.com/ ) ... but taking it off Onsug would be a big step. I have also toyed with the idea of the return of "The Rampler". As well, I have been thinking of an iconic image to help promote whatever we want to promote.

But I think that we do need to have some kind of context/hook before thinking about stickers and flyers and stuff...

I think the whole open source thing is a very interesting aspect - how it's all freely available and can be redistributed as well. And also the size of the archive - over 3 months of audio.

I think about this stuff every day, and it is maddening how labyrinthine it all is. Or maybe I'm making it harder than it has to be?

I think having everything in one big stream is still a good idea. Even if you start splitting things into separate channels. There should always be an option to easily subscribe to everything.

Trick is to contextualize it as an "unfiltered" stream and give people easy options for "filtering" out just the shows they want if it all gets to be too much.

There are already category RSS feeds, maybe link to those from each post or something. Another idea, but one that require a lot more setup would be to let people create a custom feed themselves (check off shows from a list for example and then get a single RSS feed with just those shows in it). Some "help" pages explaining how to subscribe to a raw RSS feed in iTunes and other major "podcatchers" for the non-tech savvy folks that only know how to subscribe to stuff listed in the iTunes store might help too.

Frank, since all of the content is freely available and can be redistributed, could anyone just create a new webpage, with a different interface, and simply link to the shows and the content? Or, if they started such a webpage, would you want them to also "host" the audio files, too? (I hope my question makes sense...) For instance, if I wanted to create a simple web page, listing all of the titles of the shows, w/ links to, say, the latest 5 files available for download, would that be acceptable? (Obviously, credit would be given to original creators, onsug, you, etc...)

I think in general that permission to hotlink to files is not implied in the Creative Commons license. You could, as you say, make copies and host them yourself. But to hotlink, it is probably best to ask permission.