The Rampler #330 (6/30/09) 13.28
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The Rampler #330 (6/30/09) 13.28 (58:28 / 53.8 MB)
The Overnightscape Underground – June 2009 – Track 28
“Your Late Night Broadcast” online at onsug.com
Created by Frank Edward Nora (frank@theovernightscape.com) in New Jersey, USA
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“GLASS” – 58:28 / 53.8 MB – Frank in NYC in the morning. Betty Boop as the devil, The Rampler information, skyscraper building, Howard Stern’s first show in NYC in September 1982, extravagant Broadway and Hollywood productions, the music release style, sun is bright, evolution, Bryant Park, mystical nature of reality, random statue, the nature of existence, chess, dream review (“Glass Shattering In The Giant Cartoon Octopus Hand”), the Merovingian bloodline, quinotaur, time travel, invisibility machine, Disaster in Time, elitism, empty Circuit City, SlotRadio, Best Buy, gift cards, sounds of metal plates on the road, icelandic yogurt with sliced almonds and flax seeds, feeling tired, creativity, and a dance with the void.
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License for this track: Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/). Attribution: by Frank Edward Nora – more info at onsug.com
You had me right up until the rant about what you call ‘materialist” atheism.
You said “isn’t it clear that there’s a hell of a lot more going on in this world, than we can see”.
Well, no Frank, it isn’t clear, because we can’t see it.
“Don’t you realise the mystical nature of reality”
No. I realise the ‘real’ nature of reality, and if it can’t be proven by empirical means, I’m not willing to give it the time of day.
Other than that I think you’re a pretty interesting guy, but you’re walking the line between ‘interesting guy’ and ‘uninformed wacko’.
Comment by Brad G — July 1, 2009 @ 2:57 am
I find it interesting that anytime I criticize materialist atheism (and this show was very mild, compared to other “rants” I’ve had), the response I get from those who embrace materialist atheism almost inevitably involves “ad hominem” name calling as a response.
uninformed wacko
That is not a rational, intellectual response. It is the response you give when you don’t really have a counter-argument.
I believe there is a mystical nature of reality because I have “sixth sense” and I perceive it myself.
You cannot disprove this perception by measuring things on the material plane using material measurement devices.
This has nothing to do with religion. I am not into any religion. You can bash away at the straw man “Christianity” all you like, it doesn’t address larger spiritual and mystical issues.
Comment by Frank — July 1, 2009 @ 4:15 am
It’s not possible in any open system, to disprove any assertion. Therefore the burden of proof is on those who make the assertion. To assert that you have a sixth sense, requires proof on your part.
Comment by SnowDog — July 1, 2009 @ 5:00 am
Hi Brad, I find the use of the word “uninformed” interesting.
Is there anybody in this world who has, for definite, been “informed” as to what the true nature of everything is? I don’t think so.
That’s why six billion of us spend our seventy-something years looking at clues and trying to figure it all out.
Comment by Neal — July 1, 2009 @ 5:16 am
Well Phrank, I’m an atheist too but I’m not gonna complain about what other people think. Everyone should figure out what they believe for themselves and only then can we leave in harmony (lalala).
Comment by YannickJoker — July 1, 2009 @ 6:06 am
That’s the kind of circular response I was expecting. Firstly, I’m not offering a counter argument, I don’t consider your views worthy of debate, so I shan’t attempt to counter them.
Secondly, you’ve both made the logical fallacy of insisting that it’s somehow up to anyone to disprove you, which is false, it’s up to you to prove it.
You’ve both argued that your ideas are valid simply because I can’t disprove them, and I can’t measure them. You’re wrong, you disprove your own ideas by failing to provide evidence of them.
And the reason we (materialistic atheists, as you insist on calling us)insult you, because we find your views ridiculous, and we are forced to live in a world where they are given credence, however obscure, and however unproven.
As I’ve said, it’s not up to me to prove you wrong, it’s up to you to prove what you say, otherwise you’re deluded.
Comment by Brad G — July 1, 2009 @ 6:06 am
“walking the line between ‘interesting guy’ and uninformed wacko’…………….aint we all????? i dont agree with some of what frank says either, why let it bother you so much?
Comment by dale — July 1, 2009 @ 9:06 am