The Overnightscape 1381: Pillbug Valley Crafts (4/14/17)
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3:06:57 – Frank in NJ and NYC, plus the Other Side. Topics include: Wandering government photographers, skyscrapers, traffic light, lilac, squirrel, Pillbug Valley Crafts, Whychock Revival, inspiration, Orbital – Tribal Gathering 1997, green pinball dream, dirty monk, Joy Division, Rotis, phone shatter, new pillow, new computer, gaming store incident, phone case blues, Grand Central, soup, high weirdness level, Better Call Saul, The Adventures of Mabel, King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard, Conan, Chris Gethard, chance meeting, Cosmic Wimpout, Sharpie Liquid Pencil, Robert Plant’s 1985 album Shaken ‘N Stirred, Easter, Gnosis, Slip Inside This House, Step On, Easter Fool’s, Prog Line, Mystery Science Theater 3000, The Last Jedi trailer, Star Trek: Discovery, fracking, a distant cousin’s door, and much more… plus the Other Side (at 2:21:52)… The Most Important Person – “OOPS, I Made A Mistake!” (1972) [FuzzyMemories.TV], PSA – OG Readmore – Reading is a Trip [collection], King Kong Man by MrJuan [Jamendo, CC BY 3.0], Guest List Girls by Ninetynine [FreeMusicArchive, CC BY-NC-SA 3.0], Blue Line by Café Del Chillia [Jamendo, CC BY-NC-SA 3.0], Professor Owl on Audio-Animatronics (Gulf Oil) [collection], Come In (fast) by Waterfalls [Jamendo, CC BY-NC-ND 3.0], Christmas Time by MyVirtualBand Members [MyVirtualBand (defunct), CC BY 2.0], 12th Street Rag (Sumner-Bowman) by The Meedie Player Organ [Jamendo, CC BY-NC-SA 3.0], Rahat Pois! by Praktika [Ektoplazm, CC BY-NC-SA 4.0], Freeway by Kurt Vile [FreeMusicArchive, CC BY-NC-ND 3.0].
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Frank, thanks for asking. The Bible doesn’t make it clear one way or the other the current physical state of Jesus. However, Jesus was God in man form and one of the reasons he was on the earth was to simply be human and to understand what it was to be human. Using that logic, there would be no reason for him to be human now and we can assume from many verses that food (and pretty much all human needs) are no longer needed in heaven – so he’s probably not human now, no. Is he physically alive on earth? No. The entity here is the Holy Spirit, aka The Comforter aka The Restrainer. His job is to comfort and also is the one who restrains the enemy. When the rapture of the church comes (many people confuse this was “the second coming of Jesus which is a totally different and apocalyptic event) the Holy Spirit will leave the earth, leaving a “Trinity vacuum” (my words). When The Restrainer and Christians leave this earth. literally, all hell breaks loose.
Comment by Jimbo — April 15, 2017 @ 12:28 pm
Also he was brought back to life to fulfill prophecy. He was alive for a time (as were others who came out of the graves and went into the city after the giant earthquake at the time of the ressurection. He talked with people, he showed them the holes in his hands, he told them a few important things (such as, go tell everyone what happened here) and then he ascended to heaven.
Comment by Jimbo — April 15, 2017 @ 12:32 pm
Easter is not a Christian holiday; not saying you said that but it seemed to me that you were implying that. Easter is a pagan holiday, hence, the moon being the pointer to the holiday.
While many Christians celebrate Easter, Jesus said “Do this in remembrance of me” and of this he was speaking of the Last Supper.
Comment by Jimbo — April 15, 2017 @ 12:53 pm
Thanks for your insights on this matter, Jimbo.
So, Jesus died and was reborn… and reborn he was still in the same body, still human, and in this body he was transported to heaven… the question is, what happened to him then? Did he grow old and die? Was his body transformed into an alternate human form that doesn’t need to eat and doesn’t age? Or is he still alive as an immortal human in heaven, still needing to eat? Or was the body just cast aside as he took another form? And why is there a lack of information on this matter?
Comment by Frank — April 15, 2017 @ 8:20 pm
>Was his body transformed into an alternate human form that doesn’t need to eat and doesn’t age?
I’m sure at some point before ascending to heaven he shed his skin and became a spirit. (Mark 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.)
>Did he grow old and die?
No, he ascended into heaven (Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.)
> Or is he still alive as an immortal human in heaven, still needing to eat?
Food is a earth/human thing/need/desire. (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.)
<Or was the body just cast aside as he took another form? And why is there a lack of information on this matter?
Yes, I think that's what happened (cast aside). Not sure there is a lack of information, but the Bible often does not offer deep explanations on some topics. To accept Jesus, is to accept him through faith.
Comment by Jimbo — April 15, 2017 @ 9:38 pm
Ah, the inerrancy of the Bible – this weekend I read in the book of John that Peter asks Jesus “Where are you going?” & a few pages later Jesus in the middle of a monologue says “none of you asks me ‘where are you going?'” 🙂
A few things – Jesus never claimed to be God, he says he is God’s son and “the father is greater than I” so I am among many who have trouble accepting the Trinity teaching.
The rapture is not really a thing in the Bible – NT Wright probably has my favorite teaching on this, where Heaven is another dimension alongside ours & holiness can seep in – eventually it will overcome the evil in this world – “thy kingdom come” being God’s government of Earth.
The thing about the saints leaving graves is only in one Bible book & not elaborated on – reasonable to assume it’s an embellishment.
Jesus died around Passover, Passover is usually around the time of Easter so I think it an oversimplification to call it a Pagan holiday – whatever the origins, there is merit in remembering the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
The problem with theology is not a lack of information – it’s too much information. You have to work through it and decide what you can believe. One way of explaining Jesus is that his soul, the essence of personhood – like how we are not our bodies – is what was born to Mary & then left his body at the ascension. The Greek terminology by the way doesn’t necessarily mean to travel upwards. There’s more about this in Wright’s Surprised by Hope but I believe it’s a sort of transmutation.
Comment by the Meanderer — April 17, 2017 @ 11:57 am
NT Wright:
The key, as so often, is in the meaning and resonance of the word ‘heaven’. When you go back to the Old Testament, you find that not only are heaven and earth much closer to one another, and much more mysteriously interconnected, than we in the modern west usually imagine, but more important still that ‘heaven’ is the control room, the CEO’s office, if you like, for what happens here on earth. In the book of Daniel, the pagan kings come and go but are confronted with the fact that there is a God in heaven who is calling them to account. The fact that this God is in heaven doesn’t mean he’s remote, but on the contrary that he’s in charge, he is calling the shots, though not in the way human kings do.
In Psalm 2, to which the early Christians looked back as they pondered the mystery of who Jesus really was, the nations and their rulers make a great rage and fuss, but ‘he who dwells in heaven laughs; the Lord has them in derision.’ Then there comes the enthronement of God’s anointed: ‘Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.’ ‘You are my son’, says God to his anointed and enthroned king, ‘this day I have begotten you; ask of me and I will give you the nations as your inheritance; the uttermost parts of the earth as your possession. You will break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ And the Psalm ends with a call to the rulers of the earth to be wise, to submit to the rule of God’s anointed king.
We cannot ponder this too deeply. The one who is enthroned in heaven is the one who is ruling over the earth, to whom all earthly rulers must give account. That is the meaning of the Ascension, and with it the meaning, also, of Pentecost.
http://ntwrightpage.com/2016/03/30/the-power-of-heaven-let-loose-on-earth/
Comment by the Meanderer — April 17, 2017 @ 12:26 pm